What Fandom do you have a Love/Hate relationship with?

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Sleeping Umbran 302

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We all have our fandoms, and stories we enjoy. However, are there any you enjoy, but have issues? Such as; themes that get stale over time, inconsistency in setting and characters, etc. Would love to hear from everyone about this topic.​

Personally, while I love it, I have LOTs of issues with the Warhammer setting/Characters. Both in 40k and Fantasy, though more so with 40k. As the story nearly moves forward, characters and events are consistently ret-conned, and that most of the story can be boiled down to Mary-Sues/ Gary-Sues fighting over who is the Supreme Sue amongst them all.

Of course, this should go without saying, but please be respectful.
 
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Dishonored:
I love you, but I hate how you left enough plausible deniability in Emily's parentage to make me think she and Corvo could be a good couple in a bad ending route.

Skyrim:
Fun gameplay and great moddability, but your Thieves Guild questline had me fuming. The questline recruits you through an unavoidable encounter with character-dumbing dialogue, encourages rampant murder like an assassin instead of sneaking unnoticed like a thief, and forces any and all characters to sell their soul for some deity's weak powers.

K-Pop (namely BTS and Blackpink):
Some of their songs are good and the subculture can be amusing... but a few loud fans can be downright toxic, always putting other bands down like it's a competition, being outright disrespectful to people with different musical tastes, and treating the performers like objects and not caring about their wellbeing.
 
I don't have the best piece of mind right now to list off all of them but the one that instantly comes to mind is the Fate/Stay Night franchise. There's so much good in concepts and I love that it's open sourced so fans can make what they will with it, but there's just some things that irk me here and there. Like the reuse of character appearance designs but for different characters
 
Homestuck.

The comic was good, excellent, amazing... and then the author got lazy, greedy, and sick of his own work. It went on for far too long and spat in the faces of readers who wanted something more from it. And then the stories about toxic fandom, shitty con behavior, pretty much everything you've ever heard is all true, assuming you've heard anything at all. It makes it hard to admit to being a fan of the comic when there's so much bad attached to it. To be fair, I only really like two characters at this point out of a cast of... eh... 60+? So.

I think there's more but I'll come up with it later. Things like Destiny, Final Fantasy, and so on.
 
Steven Universe. No, this has nothing to do with the fanbase, although they're a whole other issue themselves. Steven Universe is simultaneously an interesting and infuriating show written for youngins'. I say "written" loosely as the show doesn't have any actual writers; the entire thing is written by storyboard artists. Steven Universe is great when the show focuses on the lore and the relationships between the main characters. The backstory behind the entire gem species, the gem war, what the fuck happened with Rose Quartz and the Diamonds is intriguing. BUT FUCKING HELL DO THEY DRAG OUT THE ENTIRE PLOT OF THE SHOW JUST SO WE CAN FUCK AROUND FOR FIVE EPISODES STRAIGHT IN BORING AF BEACH CITY.

Here's the thing: I don't mind every single episode of the show not furthering the main plot. It's okay to have breather episodes to give the audience a break from the constant onslaught of revelations of shit that happened in the past. The Last Airbender (a superior show in practically every sense) does this well. But when your episodes dealing with the plot are halted to a dead stop by some homey "let's check in and see what Sour Cream and Onion are doing" (yes those are actual character names in this show) and don't hint at the main plot for five episodes in a row and then the seasonal arc is solved in one single episode, you have a fucking pacing problem.

Either your show is episodic or it has an ongoing plot. Steven Universe tries to do both and it does it messily. I don't give a fuck about the will-they-won't-they between Sadie and Lars when there's supposed to be a festering cluster of fused gems in the center of the planet that is doomed to explode ANY SECOND. WHY ARE WE FOCUSING ON THIS WHEN THE PLANET IS DOOMED TO EXPLODE? WHY IS NO ONE WORRIED ABOUT THIS?
 
Alien vs predator. Ok so let's be honest no normal human kills either. And yet they are hugely nerfed in the movies and inconsistent. My favorite aliens but after surving a explosive the ultimate predator dies to a headshot from a pistol. Really. Yet in the games a predator takes a fuckin railgun eye shot. And lived. For years. And then lived on a planet with nothing but a combistick I believe. Yet the ultimate predator died of a headshot.
 
Ok, so, gaming frustrations. I love gaming, I really do. Exploring new worlds, immersing myself in a good story, not interacting with real flesh and blood humans in favor of fake ones that I am not only allowed, but encouraged to punch. But, god, so many things about the modern climate of gaming really frustrate me. I'll spare everyone the politics because anyone paying attention, I think, could not feasibly BE happy with that stuff and anyone not paying attention doesn't care.

First of all, the always-online thing, and the fact that games can be patched regularly and repeatedly. This results in not only a handful of glitches and other problems, because nobody playtests anything with regularity, but also a constantly-shifting field in games that should be stable. Take Borderlands 3. They release it, and within a week or so everyone has nailed down the strongest weapons and best character builds. Do you need to use these weapons or those builds? No, but if you want to do optimal DPS and melt enemies in like 2 seconds then you use those things. This is how it was in Borderlands 1 and 2 and even the pre-sequel.

Within a week of these things becoming popular, half of them were nerfed. Within a month, all of them were nerfed. Including a stealth nerf that broke skills outright so that the only viable builds for some characters don't work at all. I don't understand the purpose of making every single gun feel and play the same. Balance is fine, but mind-numbingly sameness is just boring. Destiny does the same damn thing, but with the un-fun bonus of blatantly favoring certain gun types and one class above every other.

I love playing these games so damn much but it can be hard to really enjoy it when the developers can't leave well enough alone.
 
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The Lovecraftian Mythos. HP Lovecraft was an incredibly influential writer who crafted genuinely unsettling stories.

He was also /really/ racist. While the larger mythos that has sprung up around his work is varied and disavows it's roots, reading those original stories is hard when the specter of racism looms large.

I feel the same way about Orsen Scott Card too. ENDERS GAME is an amazing book about tolerance and the problems with blind patriotism. Just wish the author believed in the same thing as he wrote.
 
Orson Scott Card lost me when I started reading more of his books after loving Ender's Game. Specifically, the novel 'Lost Boys' hurt me. It was just so horrific. Then, I learned that Card is a generally loathsome fellow and felt better about giving his work a pass.

It's a shame that Ender's Game is so inspired, but then, a good novel doesn't make one a good person.
 
Orson Scott Card lost me when I started reading more of his books after loving Ender's Game. Specifically, the novel 'Lost Boys' hurt me. It was just so horrific. Then, I learned that Card is a generally loathsome fellow and felt better about giving his work a pass.

It's a shame that Ender's Game is so inspired, but then, a good novel doesn't make one a good person.
Preach!